Represent God, which is give God differently, and represent God, which is promote God differently. And I truly believe that representing God is what we have been called to do in three different ways: Represent God, which is show God differently. Q: How would you describe the mission and vision of Transformation Church as you reach out to the lost and hurting in your community?Ī: There is only one thing that we do: we present God to the lost and found for transformation in Christ. And it’s just like a beautiful picture of Heaven. I’m grateful that we get to say, “No, it’s not.” On any given Sunday at Transformation Church, you will see everyone from an older, white businessman to a young Hispanic girl to an African-American single father serving on the same team. said that the most segregated hour of Christian America is 11 o’clock on Sunday morning. What does it mean to you to look out over the many faces in your church, including African Americans, and see such a multicultural expression of Christianity?Ī: It’s a picture of Heaven on the earth like Revelation talks about: every tongue, every creed, being able to worship around God’s throne! It’s so crazy that politics and past offenses and the way we were raised-all this other stuff – keeps people apart. Q: This month, people across America are celebrating Black History. We were none of those things at the time but by God’s grace, we are those things now. What powerful declaration did you make the first moment you addressed the congregation.Ī: That first Sunday, I told them that we would be a multigenerational church, a multiethnic church, a multiplying church, and a multi-campus church. Q: In 2015, you were officially named Senior Pastor of Transformation Church in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The first time we met, seven people showed up and three of them were my brothers! In six months, it went from those seven people to 150 young people coming. Before I walked into the room for our first meeting, God told me four things: be real, tell on yourself, don’t judge, and love them first. Somebody else is supposed to do something with the youth.” I had never preached a message, never prepped a sermon. My Mom said, “God told me you’re supposed to do something with the youth.” And I was like, “You have four other sons. Around that same time, my parents started a church meeting on Sunday nights. Afterwards, I started running sound and eventually began leading the music ministry here. The church that I now lead asked me to produce the music for their conference with the late Myles Munroe. I was a music producer and a musician, and I’d worked a lot with churches. Q: For those who aren’t familiar with your story, briefly tell us how you got into ministry and the unexpected way God put you on a path to becoming a pastor.Ī: It was kind of a roundabout way.
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